WEED THE PEOPLE: Joint Debate on Legalizing Marijuana
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A Debate on the legalization of marijuana nationwide!
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Thank you for letting me share these. Next I will list the sources that I cited on crime increases, long term detriments to the IQs of teen users, and the addictive properties of pot. Please note that these are all recent (2012-2018) and I've listed two governmental websites – OSHA and the NIH.
https://ohsonline.com/articles/2016/02/01/marijuana-use-and-its-impact-on-workplace-safety-and-productivity.aspx
https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/marijuana
http://www.globaldrugpolicy.org/Issues/Vol%207%20Issue%204/The%20Economic%20Impacts%20of%20Marijuana%20Legalization%20final%20for%20journal.pdf
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If use doubles in the population per capita, and addiction doubles in population per capita, it is not statistically relevant. Someone should teach this broad how to multiply by two.
Moderation if you don't need it for medical reasons is the answer.
The reason that 12-25 year olds are in drug rehab is because that is the way you can dismiss your MIP and other charges when you are stopped with it in a state without a med card if your under the recreational age.
"Comments 4" but I saw only one. Where are the other 3? Spam filter?
Yeah… I just had to be working while THIS one was live, of all of them! Ahh well #vodsquad it is! 🙂
Good show guys! I think that one of the strongest arguments for pot legalization is that alcohol, which has been proven to be wildly more destructive physically and societally, is legal. It just doesn't logically follow that pot should continue to be a schedule 1 narcotic.
Do I have to watch all of this before I can say she failed on every level in this debate?
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Doesn't he have answers? ((lol))
It's been shown that pot use decreases the use of opiates which account for most of the rehab and hospitalization costs due to OD and addiction. Also looking at those aspects, no one has ever over dosed on pot and very few people will get addicted to it, and it's a psychological addiction not a physical addiction like opiates. I can't help but feel like she's conflating all substance abuse, pot misuse and pot use. Correlation does not equal to causation. The medical benefits of it preclude pot from being a schedule 1 narcotic by definition. There are two main kinds of pot also. Indicas give a body high and are great for pain relief and sleep issues, and sativas give you more of a head high and shows benefits with depression and anxiety. That's just the benefits of the THC, the CBS is a whole other animal. CBD is showing major medical benefits in cancer and childhood epilepsy to cite only a few.
Holy shit frank, I'm smoking green Crack right now. Good call.
Frank's audio is always too low : (
Look at countries where it's legal for decades. The Netherlands for example is a country with good education, economics and innovation. It's not like everyone's walking around stoned all the time. Using Alcohol or Cannabis at work is a big no-no. Also I am certain alcohol is much worse substance than weed. No-one ever dies from weed.
we live in a world where all sorts of "drugs" are legal- but to paraphrase the film "Withnail and I"- why trust one drug and not another?
The only argument against cannabis is based on the perception of the culture surrounding it- the "sex, drugs and rock-n-roll" – hardly a scientific rationale.
This was, to be totally frank, a horrible podcast. Neither side sounded like they really knew much of anything about the subject, or much about the pros and cons. There are many infinitely better resources to look at online if you want to actually get better educated about drugs, drug laws, business practices under medical and recreational markets, etc..
To me, marijuana is practically harmless, but denying that it has any psychologically addictive potential is a ludicrous position. As far as I can tell, many, many people around the world (in prohibition and non-prohibition markets alike) are at least somewhat psychologically dependent on marijuana (an example being that users will gladly take great legal risks to maintain that dependency in the case of prohibition markets), and I see a lot of justifications for this which are irrational and laughable.
The fact is, we have so many purely psychological dependencies on so many things with so many irrational justifications for those dependencies that this appears to be part of being a human. Ultimately, the vast overwhelming majority of those dependencies are harmless, and I would put marijuana dependency in that category.
That being said, the drug does have medical value which is undeniable, and moderated recreational usage can be beneficial as well. It does have risks, but they are wildly overblown, and worldwide medical decriminalization will eventually happen as time goes on even if recreational usage may never be a legal possibility everywhere.
Can someone point SJ to leafly.com
She didn't read a study. She read someone's slippery slope fallacy.
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So 32 year olds with a history of drugs and alcohol abuse aren't in need with a life threatening disease?
Addiction is a disease and alcohol and other drugs, when taken in large amounts, can slow your heart and respiratory rates so low that you die.
Cannabis had an Ld rating of 50, meaning no knowing Letha dose. Even the figure of 1500 pounds in 15 in what they said may kill someone, but when they did the experiment of injecting the equivalent amount of THC into a primate, they get sick, and fell asleep, but had no long term negative effects.
Before I continue watching, I think I should just get this out in the open. I know I'm going to be pausing and responding to a lot of things. I'm very opinionated in this subject. But here's why. Here's my non-life-threatening story that led me a 33 year old white male to cannabis, and how it changed my life for the better.
Around seven years ago I was on medication for back pain pills and back spasms and nausea and acid reflux and high cholesterol and high blood pressure and high blood sugar and insomnia and depression. I had two herniated disc in my back, GERD, and I was diagnosed as clinically anorexic. Meaning I have no appetite, I don't know what I'm hungry, inversely I also don't know when I'm full. the acid reflux ate away a part of my esophagus and apparently damaged nerves to where I don't know those cues. Because of this I was always thirsty, and hated water, so I drink sodas. I drink over a 12 pack a day. So around this time seven years ago I was almost 450 lb and taking more than 10 medications a day. In high school I was an avid cannabis consumer, and I didn't have as many issues in high school as I did as an adult, so as an adult I decided that I would give cannabis to try for a couple of the issues that I had. The more medications that I was able to come off the better I felt and the better I felt the more I did. 7 years later I'm totally off of all of the medications, I have perfect cholesterol, perfect blood pressure, I'm 275 lb. Even though I had no life threatening diseases or illnesses, I was borderline diabetic, obese, sick all the time, unhappy and miserable. Now I'm not. I may not had a quote-unquote life-threatening disease, but cannabis saved me.
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I've seen these studies. To put it in the simplest terms. Imagine Colorado had 100 fatal crashes with 10 people that had cannabis in their system during the accident.
(Most of these studies include passenger that tested positive)
The same study shows an overall decrease in the number of fatal wrecks. So let's say it went down to 75 crashes. With adult usage legal, cannabis consumption goes up, and now in those 75 wrecks 20 people test positive for cannabis. That's huge looking percentage, but in actuality, it shows safer roads.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/cannabis-marijuana-legalisation-harm-brain-intelligence-development-mental-health-a8311126.html
The stated effects of cannabis use in the adolescent brain has been shown to have been over stated and that the brain returned to normal function in 3 days of stopping usage.
Plus if she's really wanting to keep cannabis out of the hands of her children, she should want it legalized. Having it legalized means that they have to go into a store and show a card like they would have to when they would buy alcohol, and they would be denied. Right now Black Market is so strong and so prevalent, that any child can walk in and buy cannabis and also be shown a Litany of other drugs, like heroin, crack, meth, pills, many other more dangerous things to their brain and long-term hell then cannabis ever would be. Keeping it illegal in any form keeps it in the hands of drug dealers who do not care if your child is over 18 or not they will sell them drugs because it is about Profit. Making it legal not only increases tax revenue that can be put to help people that actually have Dangerous Drug addictions, and schools, and police, and infrastructure, it takes it out of the hands of criminals and children.
interesting debate. I am from Netherlands 😀
Great panel, on a topic that USA is seemingly ahead of most european countries.
Go figure, huh:-)
Thanks!
Arguing for the criminalization of marijuana is about as intelligent as arguing for criminalization of coffee. It is a totally made up issue, in other words, it is a non issue. If you won't argue for criminalization of alcohol, then marijuana shouldn't even be on your mind.
I would argue that most people that are against marijuana have no clue what it actually is.
BTW, marijuana can stay in your system up to a month, but 6-24 hours after ingestion it has zero impact on your actions (even though it is still in your system).
I have yet to see anyone provide correct information about marijuana. Anti-weed people still talk about it as if it was a street bought weed for recreational use, which is just silly. They also talk about it as if it affects everyone exactly the same which is just IDIOTIC.
The lady that talked against marijuana use is plain ignorant. All of her information was absolutely useless.
Some simple facts about cannabis that you seldom hear anyone talk about:
1. There are hundreds of strains of marijuana with a wide range of effects (sleepy, happy, hungry, motivated, energetic, clear-headed, dreamy, focused etc). There are also negative effects like paranoia, lethargy, thirst, nausea. Obviously, if you experience negative effects you won't be trying it again.
2. Not everyone, who tries marijuana will have a good experience. There are lots of people that absolutely hate it.
3. Many people, including school students, unknowingly use marijuana to self-medicate some undiagnosed/untreated issue. For example, if one has high anxiety, ADHD or racing thoughts, marijuana can definitely help. That's why the talk about marijuana being bad for every school student is just wrong. Most kids with mental health issues are never diagnosed or treated. That's the main reason why these kids begin to use any drug — they want to feel better.
3. The strain and the dose make a huge difference, especially if it is meant for medication. That's where many people use too much or wrong strain the first time, hate the experience and never try it again. If you use it for a medicine, then use it like a medicine. If you are trying to medicate a specific health issue you might have to experiment a lot (thanks to the idiots in the government who kept all research and testing from going forward for many decades. Because of them, all this time was wasted and people that could benefit immensely from it now have to do the research and testing themselves, which can be very costly and time consuming).
4. Currently, there are two extractable main substances in marijuana: THC and CBD
THC is the one that makes you high or numbs pain,
CBD counters the effect of THC and is used for anxiety etc. Look them up.
5. You don't have to smoke it. You can vape it, eat it, use it like an ointment, use a liquid tincture.
The main point that I want to emphasize is that we should stop talking about marijuana or pot as if it is just one plant used for one purpose. There are hundreds of strains that are used for many various effects. This is, in my opinion, a very big problem, which causes any talk about marijuana to be very misleading and it turns away a lot of people who could potentially benefit from one of the strains. Stop talking about smoking pot to get high. The days of street marijuana are pretty much over. We can now pick and choose a specific strain and use it as a treatment of some ailment with a very specific dose. Don't give up if it doesn't work the first time. I have personally tried many different cannabis products until I found one that worked for me, most of them didn't. That's why you can't just shove any "marijuana" in your body and expect it to just work. Go online, research it. One thing that you might notice immediately is how different your experience can be from other people. That's precisely why all this talk about everyone getting high while smoking pot is so misleading and wrong.
Good luck.
This is kinda like people that advocate for abstinence only sex education and hopes that this will result in less teen pregnancies.
Thomason want her kids not to have acces to some drugs which is understandable.
But its often easier for a teen to get illigal drugs vs legal age restricted drugs.
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I'm really disappointed in Frank and Bran's Response to SJ's concern about kids and weed. Just because weed might be made legal in no way says that it would then make it legal for Minors. Cigars/cigarettes are "legal" but its still not legal for Kids under the a specific age to buy/have them . SJ is talking like if weed was made legal it would be Ok, and permissible for kids to go out and buy it themselves. Obviously there would be age restrictions similar to cigars/cigarettes.
There is also the issue that she brings up about accidents and people with weed in their systems being, I think we might not be clear enough about how long weed is in our systems, and for how long it has a measurable effect on our actions. This is something that would need to be studied before weed is made legal, Just because it measurable in out system does not necessarily mean that it still has an affect on us (I would think, I could be wrong)
I'm an antinatalist & and animal rights vegan & I SUPPORT gunning down & killing meat-eaters & breeders if I have evidence that they vote republican or democrat or take any sort of moral stand against ANYthing (sexual assault, rape, sexual harrassment, blah blah blah, murder, terrorism, DRUGS – which are NOBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS – PORN – also nobody else's business). FUCK political correctness. And I don't give a shit if the person I advocate & support killing is a Senator or Mayor or Sheriff or President of any country or Representative or Member of Parliament of any nation or police officer or judge. None of those titles should mean ANYTHING to anyone.
Yes – the pro-drug legalization have GOT to focus SOLELY on shoving it down self-righteous cowardly conservative voters' & cowardly democrat & republican politicians' throats that the positive & negative effects of a person consuming drugs is THEIR OWN, is NOT forcing anyone else to take drugs, and should be LEGAL FOR EVERYONE. They have GOT to STOP making up WILD EXAGGERATIONS & LIES about the benefits of pot.
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I am all for pot legalization. I think the medical and economic pros outweigh the cons, and given that alcohol is legal and has nowhere near the number of benefits that pot has, it just seems like a no-brainer to me. I live in Canada, and hopefully Trudeau will keep his word and have it completely legalized by this summer.
SJ Thomason is sooo misinformed about pot.
kinda dont think some of the people here know much about cannabis at all.. T.T
bitch peoiple are killed more often by fucking drunk drivers ,fuck right off SJ thomason she clearly has not looked into cannabis aside from old biased documents
what the fuck is wrong with an increase of people smoking cannabis? fucking better than drinking alcohol or shooting heroine.. jesus fucking christ smh
if cannabis was legalized and distrubuted by proper officials, it would be harder for a teen to get hands on cannabis because they would need proper ID and papers, with it illegal any kid any age can find cannabis anywhere dosnt matter what state, county, fucking town everywhere you go cannabis is there some where and the person selling it on the street dosnt care what age you are they will take cash and give you what ever you ask for. and may even push HARDER drugs on your fucking children
fuck this im out i cant listen to this shit any more
if you grt a mental disorder from smoking weed. weed didnt give you that. weed is a trigger, triggers can be anything such as break ups, divorces and alcoholism shall we ban that too? the panel let this women get away with a lot of bullshit "studies"
omg she really claimed suicidal thoughts increase through marihuana use… my personal experience is the EXACT opposite.
i was suicidal and violent back when i drank alcohol. after getting treated in a clinic, i stopped drinking, which i was only able to do by replacing it with weed, and then reduced the amount i smoked.
since i stopped drinking, i still had suicidal thoughts: maybe a few times in the first year, about once a year in the following 10 years, and not once since then. back when i was drinking, almost daily. and i didn't start a single fight since i stopped drinking, either.
if you're talking about the dangers of legalizing weed, you have to compare a stoner to a drunkard, not to an ascetic. i'd rather deal with 10 people who lose control because of cannabis than with 1 person who loses control because of alcohol.
# Learn what the endocannabinoid system is
# Legalize it now
its dumb as shit to watch cops arrest some guy for holding or smoking dope in state A and you can go to the store and buy it in state B. that just shows how fucked up this country is
I dont care if its beneficial or not. If we like it, and its a free country, we should be able to make the choice. Things that are bad for us should not be illegal. They should be clearly marked and spread as common knoledge. I dont agree with making bad choices illegal. I Dont smoke pot but I think we should have the right to use it.